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    Do you split the 601's?
    Yes, we split them
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    No we keep them both together at the beginning
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Nikko wrote:
    Funny HAHAHA

    Seriously, I'm not kidding.....who wants to step up to the plate?

    Please can we try to keep it positive???


    Id be happy to run with this. Any advice would be appreciated. For instance, I am the purchasing manager at an office supply company. Would obtaining competative quotes for a 1 part or 2 part version of our match reports be something I would want to include in this proposal? I'm not sure who is managing the MMDL site currently, but would that person be ammenible to discussions regarding the best format for score submission (E-mail / Encrypted site for direct entry etc.)? It would also make sense to perform a ROI analysis for presentation to the board. In doing so, we would need to consider all potential uses of such a site, and the potential costs, in dollars and time, of managing such a system.
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I'll do it Nikko.

    To start with I'll need to do an analysis of the current costs associated with the printing. I'll need copies of all the invoices to the MMDL for printing (scoresheets as well as match reports, rosters etc.). I'll also need a breakdown of the exact postage expenses for the pre-stamped envelopes and the mailings of standings etc. Since AD's have also reported that Mark is paid for the collection of and compiling of the match reports (this will be going away with a web based entry system) I'll need the exact cost associated with Mark's re-imbursement for this too.

    You can fax them to me at 617-658-9541.

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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    WOW - Purchasing - that's what I do - I was a Sr. Procurement Specialist now I'm Inventory Control Manger for Operational Supplies for BJ's!!

    Yeah Kool.

    Check your PM.

    OK
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Who's, mine or JTF's?
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Destruct wrote:
    I'll do it Nikko.

    To start with I'll need to do an analysis of the current costs associated with the printing. I'll need copies of all the invoices to the MMDL for printing (scoresheets as well as match reports, rosters etc.). I'll also need a breakdown of the exact postage expenses for the pre-stamped envelopes and the mailings of standings etc. Since AD's have also reported that Mark is paid for the collection of and compiling of the match reports (this will be going away with a web based entry system) I'll need the exact cost associated with Mark's re-imbursement for this too.

    You can fax them to me at 617-658-9541.

    Thanks!


    Chuck - That will not happen, and I don't mean that in a negative way. You can still do an ROI without those costs. I;m talking about getting a proposal together for web based scoring vs. mailing. Obviously, postage and etc you can figure out or do an approximation. Obviously, there would be a cost associated even if it were to go web. if you really want to help contact me. I'll be waiting for your call.
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Destruct wrote:
    Who's, mine of JTF's?


    Sorry about that JTF's.
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Nicole, I think you know that I know it will not happen.

    This is the hypocrisy of the MMDL!!!

    You ask people to write proposals to save money, then refuse the league records they need to do it accurately. THAT CAN'T BE DONE WITHOUT DOING AN ANALYSIS OF THE CURRENT COST STRUCTURE!!!

    Don't ask for help when you aren't prepared to accept it!


    That is an insult!!!
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    D, I dont think she was trying to insult you, I think we all know that the BOD wont give out that info. We all know why, and if we dont then shame on us. I think she meant it, and I think if someone did such a thing and could support the basis, they (ads) could present a case for an overhaul.
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Then members of the BOD should stop asking for suggestions here. Its two-faced at best!

    We all know they won't part with the info, just as we all know that they won't change how things are run.

    For a member of the Board to ask for suggestions and then refuse a legitimate request for info needed to come up with a proposed better way is just more of the same crap that has been going on for years.

    The new guard seems to be falling in line with the Old Guard. I hope it's not the case, but it sure seems like the same old story.

    Please forgive my pessimism!
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    PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Destruct wrote:
    Then members of the BOD should stop asking for suggestions here. Its two-faced at best!

    We all know they won't part with the info, just as we all know that they won't change how things are run.

    For a member of the Board to ask for suggestions and then refuse a legitimate request for info needed to come up with a proposed better way is just more of the same crap that has been going on for years.

    The new guard seems to be falling in line with the Old Guard. I hope it's not the case, but it sure seems like the same old story.

    Please forgive my pessimism!


    An ROI analysis can be done without knowing the current cost structure. Nikko is correct, assumptions can be made for postage and current printing costs. I am new to the league, but am well informed of the charges that have been levied at the board (hence my earlier sarcasm). We do not need to know the cost structure for every piece of printed material in order to perform an analysis, as we can also make assumptions based on obtaining competitive quotes on 1, 2 and 3 part forms. There is a cost associated with maintaining the current system. There would be costs, both hard costs for structural design and implementation and soft costs for maintenance, in the creation of a new system.

    I understand the cynicism. I have heard of the league issues. I’m willing to put my effort into this with the knowledge that it could be dismissed out of hand. We’re I not to try, then I cannot complain. I know that others here have tried to enact change, time and time again, without success. At some point, something will give. Whether it be the league folding, or becoming a better more member friendly league, something will eventually give.
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    PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/esearch.php

    JTF you can see the printing & postage costs here on the form 990 for 2004 & 2005.
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    PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    JTF, you misunderstand what I was saying... Think "Irony"!



    Wire,

    I have distributed those forms to about a dozen people so I already know the total number. Give me the breakdown for Match Report printing, Shirt Printing, Ingoldsby pay for compiling the results, etc.


    The lump sum doesn't tell you what the little parts are!
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    PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    So are you guys splitting the 601"s ....................?? Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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    PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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    So are you guys splitting the 601"s ....................?? Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


    Nope. Personally, I like to split them. I found that more people stuck around for the final game, and the atmosphere was a little more charged up, esp. if you were going into that match tied.

    Most other teams didn't like it, and it would cause a stink if we pushed, so we just play them at the beginning.
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    PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Here's an idea... What about playing half the first and second 601's and then at the end of the night finish them. Shocked I like them in the 1 and 2 spot myself.
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    PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    A 7 man 1001?!?!?!?!

    Half the team can barely field a 6 man team night in night out! Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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    PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Destruct wrote:
    Then members of the BOD should stop asking for suggestions here. Its two-faced at best!

    We all know they won't part with the info, just as we all know that they won't change how things are run.

    For a member of the Board to ask for suggestions and then refuse a legitimate request for info needed to come up with a proposed better way is just more of the same crap that has been going on for years.

    The new guard seems to be falling in line with the Old Guard. I hope it's not the case, but it sure seems like the same old story.

    Please forgive my pessimism!


    Chuck - do you think I'm an idiot??? Just because you post on a forum - you expect me to just give out the info to you? I have the info and NO I wouldn't give it to just anyone - unless they are willing to work with me and the league for a better future and be sincere about it.

    You have NOTHING positive to say about MMDL - why would I want to work with you????

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    Because I am a member of the MMDL and I'm trying to get it back to a positive status perhaps?
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    Destruct, just tell us your size. Dave W. will send out your XL,XXL "Banned in Boston" shirt! Sharkey.
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    PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I know a way to stop all this nonsense about splitting the 601's or not. How about eliminating them all together. You have to admit, those are the most useless games in a dart league.

    Get rid of them and replace them with either singles cricket or 501. It would make for a much better match not too. Cool Cool Cool
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    Chi,

    I basically agree with you but they do make a good warm-up game. That, to me, is worth keeping them but since they are useful as a warm-up it kind of means they have to be played first.
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    Very Happy Very Happy and that comment from a man who just won a trip playing 801 and throws tons like the rest of you throw 45's and 41's and in geico's case 26's...all kidding aside 601 is the most boring useless game for 3 people to play that i've ever seen..unless your playing it like we will this sat in the eagles state dart tournament..2 601's 3 person & 3 cricket doubles matches...first team to win 3 advances...EAGLES 841 ALL THE WAY TILL THE END... I do know that the lower division players like 601 because all of their darts count if they keep them on the board...kirb
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    PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    i've done it bothways. i dont really care which way but i do prefer both up front
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    PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Seeming so they already have the sheets printed leave it how it is LET THE CAPTAINS DECIDE before the match and then go from there when the sheets run out make new ones wouldn't want anyone making extra on the printing be nice to have some 501 incorporated into this league at some point
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    I liked the 601's played at the top. Seems to me it made for a much better flow of the games. I have my roster all filled out when I get to a match. When they need to be played as a split everything needs to be changed to make the down time appropriate. It makes for a long night when you sit for a long time.


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