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    Make the forums for registered users only?
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    Erik
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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: SEWA Forums for registered users only? Reply with quote

    Hi Folks,

    If you are like me and getting tired of spam and USE you will understand the need for me to ask this question:

    Should we make the forums for Registered users ONLY?

    By forcing users to register it will make it ever so slightly harder for someone to gain access to your email addresses and spam you or send you USE (unsolicited emails).

    Please let me know what you think and bear in mind that many folks like to read the forums but not log in -- so making it for registered users only will force people to have to register which we may or may not want.

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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I think its a good idea. But it may make the forums less public, and stunt the growth of the site. Can you just make it that email is not public?
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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    That's a tough question.

    I like giving the world access to VIEW the site, but posting should be reserved for members only.

    If viewing profiles of those who DO post email addresses, etc. could be restricted to only members I suppose that could be a way around that issue.

    Just my $.02

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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    The problem I'm having is setting the forums to be open to read but not post -- the easy part -- and making the emails not accessable except to those who are registered. Seems I can't do both.

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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I'm all for making life tough for spammers.

    If that's the only way to stop them I say lock it down to non-members.

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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Correct me if I am wrong
    Below from profile/account
    Real Email:
    (required)
    (This Email will not be public but is required, will be used to send your password if you lost it)
    Fake Email:
    (optional)
    (This Email will be public. Just type what you want, Spam proof)

    This I take to mean we have control if our email is seen or not. I would like to keep the forums open. And if it means everyone needs to go back and put in a fake one. Then i think its worth doing as opposed to us shutting out casual browsers.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    KopRalf you are quite right about that, but then of course, no one can email another member without first sending a PM.

    Making the forums for registed users only will solve that problem but create another..

    It's quite the dilema
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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    "KopRalf you are quite right about that, but then of course, no one can email another member without first sending a PM."
    I think maybe a small price to pay to avoid spammers. The alternative may stunt our growth. I would like to see us recommend the pm connection first, as opposed to lock out. Also when i log in from a not safe connection. I would prefer not to hand out my login info. i often surf sewa without logging in. Just my 2 cents commandant.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I don't think that the spamming problem today warrants the lockout of casual browsers.

    Except for Erik (most likely), we were all browsers of the site initially. Word of mouth, reading the great posts from great darters, and the general tone of the site is enticing.

    People that want to join will join. Let the others read. Of the 800 or so members, I would guess 10% or less are really active posters. So in reality, the other 90% are lurkers with a name.

    I would prefer to investigate protection tools vs. lockdown tactics if possible.

    Just my opinion.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    You could always start by encoding @ signs with the HTML encoding @ which should stave off most spammers. This is viewed as an at sign, but isn't. (Type it into a post and hit preview: @ .)
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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    mnoble wrote:
    I don't think that the spamming problem today warrants the lockout of casual browsers.

    Except for Erik (most likely), we were all browsers of the site initially. Word of mouth, reading the great posts from great darters, and the general tone of the site is enticing.

    People that want to join will join. Let the others read. Of the 800 or so members, I would guess 10% or less are really active posters. So in reality, the other 90% are lurkers with a name.

    I would prefer to investigate protection tools vs. lockdown tactics if possible.

    Just my opinion.



    I completely agree with mnoble on this. Spam is a bit of a problem, but it's hard to get people to join if they can't read and see the value of the forum. It's extremely rare that I will join a forum without being able to browse it first.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Ramses wrote:
    That's a tough question.

    I like giving the world access to VIEW the site, but posting should be reserved for members only.

    If viewing profiles of those who DO post email addresses, etc. could be restricted to only members I suppose that could be a way around that issue.

    Just my $.02

    Hunter


    I agree totally on this one Ramses.. i also read lots beofre actually joining.. but read alot... i think that if you do it so you can read but Not post till reg. that should help a bit...just dont lock it out totally...
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    PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Except for Erik (most likely), we were all browsers of the site initially. Word of mouth, reading the great posts from great darters, and the general tone of the site is enticing.

    Hooked me that way. I tried to regesiter on dartplayer but it never took. I tried a second time and I was told that I was alresdy regesitered. I see value both ways so I guess I'm undecided.
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    PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    yes, spam is a problem, but is it anything we can't hndle?

    We have a really tight hold on all posts right now and we have a pretty good filtering process.

    At this point, I have virtually no darts-related spam because I know how to work my settings. If members don't want to receive spam, that's up to them. There are options on the site and online (like spam blockers) that will allow them to surf safely and free from spam harrasment.

    If they don't take the steps necessary to control spam, how can SEWA be at fault? If members want a spam-free environment, it's up to them.
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    PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I agree w/Digger. I have never had any spam relating to SEWA in any way imaginable. Who is getting spam and blaming SEWA for it? Even if SEWA was the cause of my getting 2, 3, 4, or 5 spams a day, this isn't a drop of water in the spam ocean.

    I think that spam pervention should be the responsibility of the end user, not of the website that the user is visiting. There are tons of free spam prevention software/techniques out there, including the suggestion of using a fake public email address here on the site. The best prevention is common sense on the part of the computer user, and trying to fight that battle is a loosing one. While I myself always log on, I"m sure that for every registered user browsing the site there is easily 1 or more guests...whill they join or leave? Is this tiny chance of relieving someone's alleged spam problem worth the risk of loosing ANY SEWA viewers?

    What's more likely to drive users away, operating your forum as thousands of others on the internet are operated and having someone accuse you of in some way being a spam source, or making it where you force a user to register and log in before they even see what you've got to offer?

    I probably do not know all of the facts in this case Erik...but why should I let my own ignorance get in the way of offering my opinion. Cool
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    PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I think if there is a way to allow browsers access without registering for say their first 5 times then have it automatically lock them out would be one way to solve this. It allows visitors a chance to see what SEWA is all about but will force them to register after 5 visits.

    I don't know if this is possible or not but if it is, I think it is another option.
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