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    PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:39 am    Post subject: Dart Balance and Barrel design pattern Reply with quote

    I am in a area with very few dedicated dart stores. Not much chance of handling a dart to determine feel or balance before purchasing.

    Can you tell if a dart barrel is designed to be pushed or pulled by the ring or texture pattern(knurled, ribbed,etc...) on the barrel?
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    PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Not sure what you mean by "pulled"? I think most grips are designed to be pushed off with your fingers, like "reverse/shark" grips and scallop designs.

    Anyways, you might find value in looking at the video reviews of darts on Double16.com - he has a bunch posted on SEWA too or you can just do a youtube search and you'll find them.

    Neil has done videos of almost every popular dart on the market. They are a bit dry, but he does usually include a close up shot of the dart barrel next to a ruler so you can see all the measurements and he discusses the features of a dart and how they operate.

    He also uses a 5-level "grip scale" that he devised to provide some type of standard for describing the non-slipness and aggressiveness of knurls and the like.
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    PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Sorry if my question was not clear. I'm new to this. Pulling the dart refers to gripping the barrel near the tip and Pushing refers to gripping the barrel near the rear.
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    PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Wayne1959 wrote:
    Sorry if my question was not clear. I'm new to this. Pulling the dart refers to gripping the barrel near the tip and Pushing refers to gripping the barrel near the rear.


    No worries! I knew what you meant.

    I tend to throw off the rear half of the barrel (most do actually, though they often don't realize it) but I know people who throw off the front too.

    I think for the most part it's a matter of 'feel though.
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    PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Hmm... I use short barrels with large fingers so I guess I'm both pushing and pulling. That might explain the results into all the numbers except the 20's, eh? Laughing
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    PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I don't know if any dart is actually designed to be pushed or pulled, but you would certainly want the grip to be where you hold the dart. I always look for that when buying online.

    Without touching the dart, you'd have to estimate balance by the shape of the barrel - front-weighted, symmetrical, etc. Then guess about where you would need to hold it to get the feel you want. That's what I do - I hold the dart at its center of gravity, so I try to guess where that is and see if the grip pattern will work for me.

    That usually works ok, but I have messed it up a few times - my thumb was off the grip where I wanted to hold the dart. Trying to hold it on the grip just felt too weird, so I never really used the darts.

    Good luck!
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    PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Technically you are always pulling your dart. I know that sounds odd. As many of us feel as if you are pushing your dart. Having watched an awful lot of slow motion dart throws. Its pretty much universal on the early release at transition to pull from the back stroke.
    I had personally always thought is error that Phil and Simon were dart pushers. Turns out they both release the dart very much a few inches from transition to pulling from the back stroke.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bSADyr13AY
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    PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    You could think of it as the player pulling the dart, because the levers/fulcrums he's using to accelerate it are forward of it. But think of the dart as a collection of molecules - if the force applied to it is behind the dart's center of gravity, then the majority of molecules are pushing each other. So the dart is being pushed more than pulled.
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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Wayne1959 wrote:
    Sorry if my question was not clear. I'm new to this. Pulling the dart refers to gripping the barrel near the tip and Pushing refers to gripping the barrel near the rear.

    Shocked OMG, you're getting all tangled up in minutia that doesn't really matter. The 'why' of it might be nice to know but is certainly not necessary, and is only a distraction. Pick up the dart and throw the damned thing. If it doesn't stick straight out of the board, or to your liking, then work with the shafts and flights to get them so they do. If, after you've been playing for some length of time you believe the barrel is causing you to be inaccurate then experiment with different barrels.
    Inaccuracy is the only reason to change anything. If you want a different color, or shape, or size just for the sake of having it be different, well have at it, but don't expect that change to make you more accurate with it.
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