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    If you were to estimate, what percentage of the dart throwers in the world use moveable-point darts?
    0 - 10%
    35%
     35%  [ 16 ]
    11 - 20%
    35%
     35%  [ 16 ]
    21 - 30%
    15%
     15%  [ 7 ]
    31 - 40%
    13%
     13%  [ 6 ]
    41 - 50%
    0%
     0%  [ 0 ]
    51 - 60%
    0%
     0%  [ 0 ]
    61 - 70%
    0%
     0%  [ 0 ]
    71 - 80%
    0%
     0%  [ 0 ]
    81 - 90%
    0%
     0%  [ 0 ]
    more than 90%
    0%
     0%  [ 0 ]
    Total Votes : 45

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    PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:16 pm    Post subject: Hey participate in this poll, please... Reply with quote

    Remember this is ALL dart-throwers in the WORLD. Newbies, journeymen, pros, etc., the whole lot....
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    PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    razor embedded wires has made moveable points obsolete.
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    PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I throw powerpoints.I can't seem to find a comparable fixed point dart in size shape knurling.Scotty is right,razor boards make movables obsolete.I would like to find a fixed I'm comfortable with so I can make the change.Right now,I'm throwing the PowerPoints so well,I don't want to mess with it.
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    PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    scottyb1001 wrote:
    razor embedded wires has made moveable points obsolete.


    +1

    I've gone back to fixed points and no longer need to wear a cup or body armor like you wanted to back in the 80's. Laughing
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    PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I went 21-30%.

    When I started playing in 2000, I learned for about 6 months on an $8 brass set of darts. My first good set was Aftershock 26g hammerhead style darts. Next was Gorilla Grip Bottelson 27's.

    2003 I got a too-good-to-pass-up deal on Black Widow 26 fixed. Threw them for a while and loved the dart, but got a set of 26g Pythons (EL-C style MP), mainly b/c my wife wanted the Widows.

    Went about 2 years with those and got a set of Widow MPs, went till about 2008 with them.

    Early '08 I got the Barney Shark Grip darts, 24 fixed. Wanted to try the unusual grip b/c my grip had changed and the Widows weren't feeling right, so I figured for what I bought the Barneys for I could resell them and get my money back.

    Still using those Barneys, to the degree I went and bought 2 more sets of them as backups. Between giving up the MP and going down several grams from what I had always known I added knurled points and I feel they have made up for the loss in weight and MP..and then some because they don't fall out of the board like even an MP dart would if it isn't in securely.

    So, there's my history and how I got to where I am. I should add that I own quite a few sets of both fixed and moveable points that I didn't list here, but those darts above are the primary ones I have used in any kind of competition throughout.

    At the MMDL singles tournament this past weekend I would say the breakdown was about 25% using MP darts. That said, several VERY good players in this area use moveable points. Dwalsh in fact won the mens singles event in the highest class the league has to offer. Interestingly enough, he defeated Tom Curtin (topcat68, WSOD qualifier) who also uses a MP dart. Chitown599 on here is also one of the state's top players and uses a custom MP dart.
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    PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Of all the dartplayers I know, I'm only aware of two who still use moveable points. And I think they both use them only because of the barrel they're (sort of) attached to.
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    PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I don´t think they are used at all in Germany but of course I am not sure...
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    PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    ABA al those darts u've thrown & still u can't hit what u aim at & all the players who blame thier darts, lol
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    PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I have used both. I have a set of darts I had made 20 years ago, which I can use both power points, and hammerhead points in. I have had a lot os success with them.
    I also used the Sigma's, which are fixed points, and have had some success with them as well. Over the years I have tried different darts, but always find myself going back to my customs. Call me old school, but I will stick with my movable points thank you.
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    PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I use Parts but always carry a backup set of hammerhead originals for those venues/tourneys where they have old wire boards and i start bouncing everything off the wires.

    Its more of a security blanket than a backup plan though...
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    PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I'm kinda of interested in how many people have gotten some widows as their 2nd and 3rd set of darts?

    I got a set of black widows fixed as my 3rd set of darts purchased. My first 2 were hammerheads. Funny thing is that I got a set of MP Gold Widows that I only threw for a few months. It was Rodman I believe, that got me out of the widows and into the Unicorn Paul Lim type darts.
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    PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Davin wrote:
    I'm kinda of interested in how many people have gotten some widows as their 2nd and 3rd set of darts?

    I got a set of black widows fixed as my 3rd set of darts purchased. My first 2 were hammerheads. Funny thing is that I got a set of MP Gold Widows that I only threw for a few months. It was Rodman I believe, that got me out of the widows and into the Unicorn Paul Lim type darts.



    I've never owned, or threw widows myself, but I know a lot of players who have thrown them, and or are still throwing them.
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    PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    While I feel the moveable-point idea as a whole is a brilliant, marketing gimmick, I do absolutely love some of the darts themselves.

    I would love to have a set of fixed-point, 24-gram MegaThrusts. That dart is one of my favorites of all time and I'll always keep mine, but I don't get them out to play with because of my dislike of moving parts. Same thing goes for my 22-gram, Eric Bristow PowerPoints. Awesome, rare dart, but I hate the rattle when they go into the board.

    I think Bottelsen and Harrow's would benefit from adopting the LaserDart philosophy of having both fixed- and moveable-point versions of the same dart. I also think Bottelsen couldn't possibly adopt this as a business model because of all the years that they have claimed the superiority of their points and collar system to fixed points.

    My favorite moveable-point system of all time however, was the ProPoints (by Dart World, I believe). Super-smooth action, but impossible to replace the points. The collars were machine-pressed into the barrel.

    Anyway, thanks to everyone for taking part in the poll and giving opinions. It's funny how this started as a poll about how many folks you think use the MP system and has evolved into what everyone uses and why (not my original intention of the thread, but ok with me).

    Oh, and congrats to DWalsh on your singles win mentioned above.
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    PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Having been sponsored by Bottlesen many moons ago, I can say that for non-edge wire boards, movable tips are far superior (and not just a marketing gimic). That said, once the edge wire boards started appearing it was one less part to stock and replace for me (I still have a bunch of spare hammerhead points left). Also, once the collar wore out, I couldn't stand having the point sliding back and forth freely, plus you had to have Loctite with you and the tool to remove the point, etc.
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    PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    RodmanRodman wrote:
    I think Bottelsen and Harrow's would benefit from adopting the LaserDart philosophy of having both fixed- and moveable-point versions of the same dart. I also think Bottelsen couldn't possibly adopt this as a business model because of all the years that they have claimed the superiority of their points and collar system to fixed points.


    Bottelsen recently came out with a fixed point version of their popular Devastator darts.
    http://www.a-zdarts.com/stl/devfixed.asp
    I would think if these things take off with any success, you may see other models getting the fixed point.
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    PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    ive used the black widows for 14 yrs now fixxed & moveable pnts now i shoot the silver all have been 26 grms. ive used others occasionally but always go back they r the best dart out there IMO. i have about 7 sets
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    PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Yeah, Scotty, I saw the fixed-point Devastators.

    I've always wanted a set Devastators, but never bought them before because of the moveable point and the price.

    As of now, the fixed-point version is only available in black.
    When they come out with the fixed-point, natural/silver version, I'll be much more likely to buy.
    The price is pretty good.
    Especially to be a Bottelsen, 95% tungsten dart.

    Just not a big fan of black darts.
    Gold, yes, black, no.
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    PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    i think ole gil throws devastators...
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