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    High 1st place
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    pay more places
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    pay more places with decent payouts (balanced option)
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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:30 pm    Post subject: High 1st place or deep payouts? Reply with quote

    Ok, so I'm in the process of thinking about putting together a tournament with a decent purse and longer match format.

    Wondering what people's opinions are about High 1st place payouts vs. everyone gets a cut, vs. a balanced payout doing as deep as possible.

    Obviously the answer will depend on where you are in the pecking order, but what would you like to see for a large purse, longer match format singles tournament?
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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Ok, so an add on question....

    Would y'all travel to a tournament with this lineup?

    Fri: Blind Draw $1000-$2500, $15/person
    Sat: Open 501 Singles $14000-$18000, $100/person best of 11 (15 in finals)
    Sat: Open 501 Doubles $2500-$3500, $20/person best of 7 (11 in finals)
    Sun: Open Cricket Singles $10000-$16000, $100/person best of 7 (11 in finals)
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    PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    if its within driving range I'll play. Also a suggestion, the singles should be seated based upon ADO points that way you won't risk having the majority of your top players on one bracket.
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    LaujThoj wrote:
    if its within driving range I'll play. Also a suggestion, the singles should be seated based upon ADO points that way you won't risk having the majority of your top players on one bracket.


    This is a good idea Lor...but i think something like this would also possibly hurt the turn out. If someone knows that the chances of playing a great shooter right out of the gates...would they still come? That is a very big gamble to take when trying to fill a room...I personally like the idea, but alot is to be said for a truly blind draw for the matches too...maybe two top shooters get paired in the first round and one gets knocked out...making it more probable that some people make money that may not when the seeding is done on ADO points...also the fact that the ADO points are sometimes not updated for months at a time would hurt it badly...
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    LaujThoj wrote:
    if its within driving range I'll play. Also a suggestion, the singles should be seated based upon ADO points that way you won't risk having the majority of your top players on one bracket.



    I don't think ADO points should be considered at all. Everyone is paying the same amount of money, and not everyone worries about ADO points, or even go to many tournaments, to acquire such points.

    Myself, I could care less about ADO points, and rarely go to tournaments anymore. I know of at least 10 top shooters in Ma. alone who don't go to many tournaments. To penalize them, and I for this, is not right. Let the tournament be run straight up, with no seeding, and I would bet, you would have a much bigger turn out.
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I had posted this in another tread so this seems like a good place to add it.

    I have been throwing a thought around in my head for a while now for a New England type dart circuit.I have talked to a hand full of people who would be interested. I would love to see a singles tourney only, every 6-8 weeks with a 100 to a 150 dollar entry fee and have them run like a PDC event.The other thought is this can only be open to N.E. residents only.Then at the end of the year we could set up a PL by order of merit. I know this would take a lot of work to set up but I think this is a way to start and if it takes off the other states around the country could start their own like this and then,I know getting ahead of myself, we just mite be on to something.

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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    well i think it should really depend on the turnout...
    i've been to big tourneys and not gotten anything for winning 3 rounds! that is dissappointing...

    i think they should be top heavy but equitable to the turnout... anytime i win three i think i should get my $ back at least...
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Well, since I am just in the info gathering part of this, I didn't want to divulge too many details, but oh well Very Happy I'm a blabby one and like to share information.

    I used to play semi-pro golf, and our tournaments were $250-$350 per event. I played on 4 different mini tours, 3 regional and 1 national at the various times in my career. I had no problems paying higher fees per event to have a chance at winning more money.

    The seeding thing is interesting. Maybe seed the top 16/32, random everyone else. But I wouldn't do it based strictly off of ADO points as I don't agree with the way those are calculated; It should move towards more of a points/event avg, rolling over 2 years, like the world golf ratings. Golf figured it our 25 years ago, but that is an ENTIRE other discussion....

    I would LOVE to see this sort of event (assuming it takes off and people travel to them) to happen once a month at various locations around the US (again, balanced in the geography [I'm not biased being in California am I? Smile]). Again, follow the weather like golf does. handball does something very similar for their pro tour.

    I know I would travel to 5-8 of these a year.

    There was talk a couple of years ago about getting a US Dart Tour going (hell, I registered 8 domain names at the time). Maybe it's time to relook at this. I'm a logistics/numbers guy, not a marketing one, so I know where my skill level lies: Forecasts, spreadsheets, rules, procedures, databases, etc. So any sales/marketing people out there wanna help out? Shoot me a message.

    Maybe if this thing does take off, they would be random for the first year or so, then partially seeded based on your standings in these new events? That's how the mini-tours I played on were done for the indexed portions. Hmm...additional thoughts I had not come up with before.

    But I think we're getting ahead of ourselves. Gotta get the first one out the door to prove that it can work. Hmm.. maybe another poll to find out if people would travel to an event like this?
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    rob wrote:
    well i think it should really depend on the turnout...
    i've been to big tourneys and not gotten anything for winning 3 rounds! that is dissappointing...

    i think they should be top heavy but equitable to the turnout... anytime i win three i think i should get my $ back at least...

    BTW, with what I have in the works, you would definitely get paid for winning 3 rounds. You would make money for winning 3 rounds. Heck, you would break even for winning 2 rounds. Assuming things work out the way they are supposed to Wink
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    the whole ADO points thing, I couldn't agree with you guys more about it being behind and not accurate Laughing, but the seating part for the singles was suggested because most tournaments currently played don't have a very big turnout anyways so I was hoping a small change would help, not to penalize anyone. And if that were to happen we'd need some sort of ranking system so unfortunately the ADO points had to be mentioned and stir up the pot LMAO.

    Not sure where Brian plans to run this thing but Frank, Derek, Rob, would you guys fly out here to the bay area to play this thing? Kind of a long shot huh? That brings up another suggestion I've heard whispered for the SF open... Brian, please try to have the tournament at a place that will charge us less than $7 a beer LMAO. I don't think you have to be a poor man to agree to this but $7 for a beer is just not as fun as $3-$5.
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Lor...I have flown to many tournies so if it is at a good place...schedule doesn't conflict with life...there is a good chance you would see me there.
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    This isthe kind of tourney I thrive for, if it ment giving up say local league's and tourneys than so be it. Like you said if this became a once a month thing I would try to make 6-7 of them.Also with the amount of money you are sugesting one good outing could pay for a few of these trips on its own.
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    woo hoo, I've got 7 people for the first one Twisted Evil !!!

    If this would be setup, I would work with the ADO calendar to avoid conflicts. That's a no brainer right now.

    The numbers I'm proposing are pretty much just from entry fees. Sure you're paying a little more, but there are a lot more darts to be thrown and a lot less events (4 total) as opposed to the typical 10-12.

    Lor- yes, the $7 beers were a bit much!!! Even for me and I don't drink that much...
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Alright, to the practice board I go! Brian, whoever wins this thing should give you a tip, something I've grown to do for the operators of local LOD's. Derek, hope to see you and the rest of the New Englanders.
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