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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:27 am    Post subject: Pro Darts in the USA Reply with quote

    What has to be done for the USA to grow the sport into a profession?
    I do like the MLD and the aspect that it supports. I just want to see the big sponsors get involved and take it to the next level. As long as it remains the way it is there is little appeal to make it as big as across the pond.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I think it would take a major sponsor and their time and patients for it to grow. If the money is there to be made, players will compete for it. I think the growth in some of the major tournaments around the country is a good step forward, but more needs to be done.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Agreed:
    I also think it cannot stay the same and simply grow. The game must be geared to the Fan. The Dutch and English have figured out how to make it an Event. The same must be done here. The mentalities of the game and what we expect also needs to change.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I think the mentality of the game will change when we are able to have to the top 20 North American shooters consistently play one another on a larger stage. If they had the ability to shoot one another every week then the skill level will raise and the entertainment value will be higher. With the entertainment value higher it will attract more people to watch and then hopefully TV sponsorship.
    It is a ball people need to start organizing together about and get rolling.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I have heard that because of the size of the US it has hindered the progression. I would contend. if its worth it to travel, they will. I agree with you if its built, they will come.
    I look at the Soft Tip Worlds in Vegas. I know a few people that attended on their own buck.

    There also has to be an element of glitz and glamour added. Whether I like it or not the celeb element can only help.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Regardless of the dead horse excuses of why it isn't happening currently, I think the biggest thing that could help North American darts is a good showing on the rare occasions one of ours gets to play on TV.

    It seems like other countries are leaving us behind in terms of the BIG successes, Devon Peterson from South Africa and Kyle Anderson from New Zealand ar two recent examples. I don't see any North Americans achieving even a small hair of what these guys have been able to do.

    Don't drudge up the no stage/tv experience and travel and short format etc etc etc. I've come to realize none of that matters, it's the results and we're not getting it.

    I know the talent exists. Unfortunately I see all these other non-european players stepping up and hitting the big scores and outs while our guys end up shooting 6+ darts IF they get a shot at a double.

    No disrespect to Darin Young and Jim Widmayer, great players that I think DO have the talent, but for the million excuses or something we haven't come up with yet, it's still not happening.

    I still hold out hope we'll have another Larry Butler experience overseas, it has happened before, why not again?

    All it takes if for ONE U.S. shooter to start taking big scalps and I am confident the big company sponsorship interest will follow, but that's ONE BIG DOMINO to wait for and we've been waiting what seems like forever. The last person to come close IMO was Carver, but then he gave it up and went mostly soft.

    The dart world is DYING for an Ace American to back and throw money at, but we haven't delivered. We need our own version of MVG (he must be somewhere). American companies overwhelmingly back winners and on the world stage we are not that.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Devon and Kyle are great examples of those giving it their all.
    I am sure we have an MvG out there. I have seen a couple of amazing young darters talent go to nowhere just in Houston. Its a shame the format and system isn't in place.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I have faith someone out there will be willing and able to take the challenge and perform well on stage over there. Guess time will tell.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I was hoping Davis was going to be the one after he took out JP
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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I neglected to mention Ken McNeil and Gary Mawson as other NA players who have done well in recent years, but what happened to them, where did they go? It seems our continent's best make it to the stage, have various degrees of success, then they disappear quickly. The lack of sponsorship I'm sure doesn't help even when these players do well, not super great, but respectably well.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    This is something I talk with my buddy about on a regular basis. I think it will take several things. One which has already been mentioned is that we need a star on the European scene. We need someone like Darin to go live in England make the cut and start moving up the ranks make a few TV appearances take out some well known players and continue to play well. I think there is plenty of great players who can play to the standard in England but they only do it in hotels and venues familiar to them. Once a year at the world Champ is not gonna cut it.

    Another big thing is the culture has to change. There has to be more than just darts it has to be an atmosphere an even. People don't go to concerts and music festivals in the middle of nowhere just for music they go for the experience. Everything from being able to bet and enjoy a beer and have a good time. In america darts is a joke to the general public and only enjoyed by those who love the game.

    The third thing is that it needs exposure TV time on something other than a buried BBC channel no one cares about. Also it has to have a high production value comparable to other sports we watch in the US.

    The really hard part is getting capital and the right people on board who can help create the image and get the money to do it right. We need a Beckham or someone who is well known either rich and or famous who loves the sport to spear head it.
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    PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Actually reading the posts so far represents a significant change already. Atmosphere has always been a huge gripe of mine along with the format.
    It nice to see there has been a change of opinion.
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    PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I tried to help on the format end, and it was very well received, but hard to battle back from negative PR from a few people who didn't want it to succeed with me at the helm...

    I've stopped trying, too many prima donnas out there that just want things handed to them.

    I am more focused on league play at all levels these days; the other element of MLD when I crafted that in 2009/2010, but wasn't ready to release into the wild yet. Bringing long format singles to every skill level, so far it's been great, we just expanded into two new counties this season, and already have 4-5 more talking about getting things going in their area.
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    PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    BTW, Jeff Smith's run at the 2015 Lakeside was fantastic!! Glad I could watch that in person
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    PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    The Championship Darts Circuit is attempting to
    establish a foothold of top level darts in
    North America.
    The Circuit kicks off this summer and we'll see if we
    can actually establish true "Professional Dart Players"
    in North America

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    PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Pepsidiltz wrote:
    I think the mentality of the game will change when we are able to have to the top 20 North American shooters consistently play one another on a larger stage. If they had the ability to shoot one another every week then the skill level will raise and the entertainment value will be higher. With the entertainment value higher it will attract more people to watch and then hopefully TV sponsorship.
    It is a ball people need to start organizing together about and get rolling.



    BOOM! you got it
    Top players playing each other on a repetitive basis;
    Makes the standard better;
    The better standard makes for better games;
    The better games are better for broadcast;
    The better the broadcast; the more advertising and sponsors can be acquired;
    The more sponsors that can be acquired the more money the players can compete for

    The Championship Dart Circuit sets off on this road this spring
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    PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    ae37 wrote:
    Pepsidiltz wrote:
    I think the mentality of the game will change when we are able to have to the top 20 North American shooters consistently play one another on a larger stage. If they had the ability to shoot one another every week then the skill level will raise and the entertainment value will be higher. With the entertainment value higher it will attract more people to watch and then hopefully TV sponsorship.
    It is a ball people need to start organizing together about and get rolling.



    BOOM! you got it
    Top players playing each other on a repetitive basis;
    Makes the standard better;
    The better standard makes for better games;
    The better games are better for broadcast;
    The better the broadcast; the more advertising and sponsors can be acquired;
    The more sponsors that can be acquired the more money the players can compete for

    The Championship Dart Circuit sets off on this road this spring


    Agreed...and glad to hear more is happening!
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