Are you a tinkerer?

Discussion in 'Tools of the Trade' started by VanO, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    I am! I thought of posting this as a reply on Erik’s Viking Hammer thread but didn’t want to distract from Shot Darts. I recently purchased the Unicorn Phase 3 Gary Anderson Purist Ultracore. Tinkering with them has been a lot of fun and quite enlightening. For those of you who are not familiar these are ultra customizable. Gram weights from 17-26 and adjustable for balance point from front to back and middle as well as high inertia setups. That combined with stem length and flight size and shape these are a tinkerers dream/nightmare. Fun to find out(like I have) that what you thought was your best setup and what you preferred is not what’s best for you at all!
     
  2. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    Those remind me of the old Accudart that you could adjust the weight on in 1g increments. That was back in the 70's!
     
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  3. Squiggle

    Squiggle Active Member

    I was and still am a bit of a tinkerer. I was always trying new barrels and then adjusting shaft lengths and flight sizes trying to find the perfect combination. Everyone would tell me that it was affecting my game (negatively) but I just couldn't stop. Finally I came across a set of barrels on a random site with no brand name and this really cool ring grip design. They were 80% tungsten but only $18.95 for just the barrels. I couldn't pass up the deal! I got them about 2 years ago. They weren't as closely matched in weight as I usually prefer (hey, they were less than 20 bucks so it was expected) but they weren't way off. Less than a gram difference between the 3. Still, the grip was wonderful and they flew straight. I got a second set and between the 6 barrels I found 3 that were within 100th of a gram of each other. They're all I've used for almost 2 years now. I have played with shaft length and flight size just a little. I've moved to a slightly longer shaft (somewhere between short and medium most of the time) and I went from standard Shape flights to full size Standard flights.

    One of my team mates is a serious tinkerer. It's gotten bad. We had to sit him down and have a little chat with him. He would bring 3 sets of darts with him to league (various weights and shapes) and would swap darts several times during a leg of a match! His consistency is all over the place because of this. We talked to him and said to do the tinkering during practice at home and bring just one set to league and "ride or die" with that set for the night. If it's bad, switch to a different set next week. He knew it was causing him problems so he agreed. Well, Wednesday he showed up with just one set. We were so proud. Then we saw it. In the doubles matches, between throws he'd be running over to his case and swapping flights and shafts. He just can't help himself. I think he's trying to fix a problem in his head by changing his darts. Of course since the darts aren't the problem, it just gets worse. I'm a tinkerer, but wow... there's got to be a limit.
     
  4. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    That’s nearly a psychosis! I’m not like that but I have always liked to tinker to make sure I had the best individual setup of the equipment. It was lofts and lie angles and shaft length head weight etc etc in golf. Now this kind of thing with the darts. These are neat in that there is several setups and they can be played steel or soft. Ringed grip on these probably kinda like yours Squiggle.
     
  5. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    Squiggle, this is part of the reason I carry ONE set of darts with me, one set of shafts and flights and that's it!
     
  6. Squiggle

    Squiggle Active Member

    Me too! Even though I'm a tinkerer. I tinker at home! I do all the adjusting while I'm in my gameroom. When it's league night or a tournament, I only take 1 set of darts and just a spare set of flights and shafts that are the exact same as what I'm currently using. The biggest mistake I made was buying a new set of darts at a tournament and then deciding to play with them that day. So dumb. So let that be a lesson to you folks! Don't Tinker in public! Tinker at home! hahahahaha.
     
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  7. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    I never tinker in public! Way to take it to PG-13 Squiggle! :D Anyway the great golfer Sam Snead said something like “ya gotta dance with the girl ya brought” referring to trying to correct ball flight during a round.
     
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  8. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    I know it may have been discussed somewhere else on the forum but I have recently begun to focus on the overall length of the dart. All too often we hear about barrel weight and length and thickness. Also a whole plethora of other characteristics without much focus on the total length. I have recently tried to setup all the darts I have in my collection at the same playing length. It was a bit of a challenge as I have several different barrel lengths and some older darts in 1/4 inch that needed addagrams to adapt to 2ba shafts. Surprisingly I am consistently accurate with all of them regardless of battle weight(ranging 18-30 gram)The barrel weight balance point issue is repaired by flight weight and size almost instantly. Anyone wanna share any thoughts?
     
  9. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    I have done similar testing over the years and indeed length matters ;)

    However, the heavier the dart the more forgiving it seemed but the less easy to finess.
     
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  10. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    I agree on the weight issue. It just seemed funny to me that when I got most of my darts tuned the all had similar overall length. Long barrels with shorter shafts and vice versa. I used to play with really heavy darts and vodka(Voks) moving points because one of the places I played had forced air heating near the boards and really worn out boards!
     
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  11. kennyg

    kennyg Member

    Okay so I thought That this may be appropriate here. I guess you may say I'm an ultimate tinkerer as of just recently that is. So had a good day in the shop today. Made some modifications to the lathe that were badly needed have to do adjusting tomorrow then back to tinkering. Before I go though thought that I would show you guys one that I did yesterday.
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    60mm x 8mm at widest point groves every 2mm except for one at 4mm steel dart at 16g. This is a good candidate for VanO's ultra core weights but needs to be drilled out.
     
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  12. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    Nice work!!! Shark grip style grooves very modern professional looking dart! Did you make the points too?
     

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