128 finish?

Discussion in 'Practice, Strategy & Technique' started by Scatman, Feb 6, 2007.

  1. chunky

    chunky New Member

    Who would have thought a couple of outs would have led to a debate like this??? It wouldn't be that bad, but we haven't even had JP involved!

    Steve
     
  2. chunky

    chunky New Member

    I do that when I hit Double 1...

    Steve
     
  3. snapyourfingers

    snapyourfingers New Member

    I AGREE WITH CHUNKY ON THE 68 CHECKOUT...BUT TRY THE THE SHOT AT THE BOTTOM WIRE OF THE D-18. IF YOU MISS YOU STILL HAVE 18 SCORED. IF YOU HIT THE SHOT YOU HAVE 36 SCORED, D-16 CHECKOUT

    IF YOU HAVE 1 SHOT AT CHECKOUT , YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR LOSING THE GAME.
     
  4. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    Actually I think if you do a search you will find this subject well debated and JP was involved in that one I think.

    This one's gone around a lot over the last few years.

    Erik
     
  5. Agent5432

    Agent5432 New Member

    Ta-Da!

    http://sewa-darts.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1372
     
  6. chunky

    chunky New Member

    I dunno... What about all those 26's on the way down??? Oh, that would be 30's for me...

    Steve
     
  7. chunky

    chunky New Member

    [quote="Agent5432"
    Ta-Da!

    http://sewa-darts.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1372[/quote]

    Nobody asked you!!!

    Steve
     
  8. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    And that's just one! hehe
     
  9. Agent5432

    Agent5432 New Member

    :p
     
  10. CraigB

    CraigB Best looking Craig B in the forum! $:-{P> Staff Member Site Admin

    I think this thread is turning out better than our usual "How do you take this out?" topics.

    Basically it's showing three things that are semi-unrelated to the actual answer (four, if you include not teasing master players! :mrgreen:):

    1) Playing darts is all about probabilities and what you can do to improve your odds,

    2) Give yourself at least a chance to win even if it means your last dart is at the DB and

    3) Learn to avoid leaving yourself awkward outs in the first place.
     
  11. kyjosa

    kyjosa New Member

    Everyone has a different philosophy and for beginner's, yes, Erik says stay on 20's when above 110 because they do NOT know the numbers that well. Heck, I am still struggling, but learning. I am learning from you all about the different ways to do it for the best possible result. I just haven't committed them all to memory, so I don't always SEE the shot. I can figure it out when I am using a calculator as I have been here, to see how smart these reasons are. But, I don't have that calculator when I am up at the board, so to quickly do things, if I don't know the way to do it, I subtract 60 from an even number and/or 57 to see what is left and if I KNOW what to do with that number. I am still working on the lower outs.

    My biggest out is a 145 (T20. T15, D20)! It was a miracle shot! But, I earned it! :D

    Erik will run through the best out strategies but I have a hard time seeing the shot if I miss and hit a single. Still working on it. But, I am getting better---baby steps!


     
  12. snapyourfingers

    snapyourfingers New Member

    MY FAVORITE OUT IS THE ONE I JUST CHECKED OUT WITH!
     
  13. string

    string New Member

    I can see logic for both the 20's as well as the 18's but I prefer the 18 route due to the fact that if you sucessfully hit treble 18 and 14, even if you miss the shot at dbl 16, you are still in good shape and pressuring your opponent's shot at the winning double. Good shooters miss doubles all the time, especially under pressure. While I don't expect or count on him missing, if he does, I would rather be sitting on dbl 16 or dbl 8 rather than dbl 4 or dbl 2. If you go the T18, T18 route and miss dbl10, you are looking at double 5 coming back if somehow you get a reprieve by your opponent.
     
  14. Art

    Art Member

    I just want to touch a little on finishing a game on DB. Last year in our league we were down 5-0 in a best of 11 match when i stepped to the line with 68 left. My first dart was for T20, however it hit the fat 5 leaving 63, I then went to the fat13 to leave DB, and i hit it for the win. That finish pumped up the whole team and got the other team down so much that we won that match 6-5. So not only do i think the correct shot with 128 left is 18. If you need DB to finish on last dart(which is the only time i will shoot for it) and you happen to hit it, its a big pick up for you or your team, it will build your confidence for the rest of the night. and it lets you opponent know your on tonight. Pressure is on him.
     
  15. chunky

    chunky New Member

    We are ALL still learning...

    I do understand that it is not as easy for some as it is for others. The problem comes (as has been said on here before), that if you don't learn the best ways from the start, it can complicate things when you have to learn another set of outs as you improve.

    Subtracting 60 or 57 is not a bad way to do it. There are some little patterns than can emerge if you look closely. For instance :

    89 - T19
    88 - T20
    87 - T17
    86 - T18
    85 - T19
    84 - T20
    83 - T17
    82 - T18 (good if you're not comfortable on the bull)
    81 - T19
    80 - T20

    See you CAN hit three perfect darts, so why worry??? :lol:

    Steve
     
  16. chunky

    chunky New Member

    Only if you miss it on the inside... :roll: Hey, it's the same size as any other double!

    Steve
     
  17. chunky

    chunky New Member

    Another very good point.

    Steve
     
  18. string

    string New Member

    I hadn't broken my outs down like that on the first treble Chunky. A good way to do it and a good time saver. Thanks. I did notice that I prefer a different route on 81 and 85, preferring the T15 route, but the same shorthand still applies and will certainly be utilized more by me in my matches.
     
  19. kyjosa

    kyjosa New Member

    Thanks, Chunky. I am beginning to see the light!!

    I know that KNOWING the board and the math helps greatly for the win!

    Thank you for the little chart. I like that!! :wink:

    Darci
     
  20. Monty

    Monty Member

    Hmmm- first dart at the T20 - miss, hit the T18 instead. Problem solved.
     

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